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    Best Players of the Modern Era

    Rank the 5 greatest players, ever, who have made their debuts in the year 2,000 or after, in order.

    For me:

    1. Dale Steyn
    2. Kumar Sangakarra
    3. Graeme Smith
    4. Kevin Pietersen
    5. Michael Clarke/Michael Hussey/AB de Villiers
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    Modern*, no apostrophe in "debuts".

    1. Dale Steyn
    2. Mike Hussey
    3. KP
    4. Michael Clarke
    5. Stuart Broad ()

    P.S. This is based on their performances at time of writing. Obviously this could change depending on the performances of certain players in the future.
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    Stuart Broad? Really? I'm a big fan and think he has the potential to be very high up in this list but no way has he done more than AB, Smith, Sanga, Anderson, Cook or ever Prior IMO.
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    ^ match winning performances is what I rank on. Which is why KP, Mussey and Steyn are all higher than Clarke. AB, Sanga etc. are excellent players but don't have the match-winning knack to the extent that the guys I listed do.

    It's why Mussey is 2nd on the list, he's a man for all seasons and can win you any type of match from any situation. Smith might be a bit hard done by to miss out, but hey, there are only 5 slots, and his form has waned in recent times. Plus he has a few black marks on his record. (World cup failings, choking, being a completely awful captain, etc.)

    When Broad performs, England usually win. (Oval 09), when he doesn't, they usually don't. (Brisbane 09/10, Cardiff, Edgbaston 09, etc.)

    I also took near-future potential into account as well.
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    You make a good point. But "match winning" qualities is always something I take with a touch of care. In my mind at least, it often relates in someone being inconsistent, and perhaps even poor in tough situations. I mean Sehwag is clearly a match winner, and I don't think even his harshest critics can deny that, but the fact that he hasn't performed when India lose is also because he struggles when it's tough and in foreign conditions were India also struggle. The lack of contribution from him in England and Australia don't hinder his match winning record, but to me it shows that he's poor against the best.

    I wouldn't put those tags around everyone though. Someone like KP performs even when his team are doing badly (such as the 06/07 Ashes) I think really you need a bit of both and to me that's usually shown in good and consistent records.

    Another example is Ian Bell. He played two brilliant knocks against India that set us up wins, but when he played poorly in the UAE we struggled. But many would argue that that's because he's soft and doesn't perform when the going gets tough. I don't agree with that, but many (including you probably) do.


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    Guys, I was thinking we could make a game out of this. Basically you all have to make a list of the best, say 20, players to have made their debuts after 1st of Jan 2000, and PM them to me. The person who ranks top on someone's list gets 20 points, the person who's second gets 19 points and so on until the 20th person gets 1 point. Whoever has the most points after everyone has submitted their list is the winner. We can do a list and reveal the next person everyday, and I can do a short write up, on their career. We'd need at least 8 people to do it though, IMO.
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    Bell is a completely different case in that those 2 knocks against India were very much the exception to the rule. Usually he only does well when England don't really need it. (Similar to Marcus North TBH). And then when England DO really need it, he flops, like in the UAE.

    Like I said, I took near-future potential into account so there is a bit of guesswork involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    Guys, I was thinking we could make a game out of this. Basically you all have to make a list of the best, say 20, players to have made their debuts after 1st of Jan 2000, and PM them to me. The person who ranks top on someone's list gets 20 points, the person who's second gets 19 points and so on until the 20th person gets 1 point. Whoever has the most points after everyone has submitted their list is the winner. We can do a list and reveal the next person everyday, and I can do a short write up, on their career. We'd need at least 8 people to do it though, IMO.
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    Not sure I really understand it. But I gotta get to bed now anyway. Explain it a bit better and I'll have a look tomorrow.
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    Okay, I'll try again. Basically the idea is that everyone compiles a list of who they think the greatest players, who have made their debuts after 1999, are, in order. Just like in this thread, but doing 20 instead of 5. Each player in your list will get points, the higher they're ranked by you, the more points they get. I've explained exactly how many points each player in your list will get below. After everyone has done their list, I'll tally up the points and we'll get a final list, based on everyone's individual list. This final list will represent who the Cricfire members think have been the best players of the very modern era.

    When I find out the whole list, I'll post the results. However, I want it to be fun so I'll reveal who came were in stages. So for instance first I'll reveal who came 20th-15th, and then 14th-10th etc...I'll also do a summary on each player, much like Cricinfo player profiles.

    How the Point system will work.

    Where the person is ranked on your list - how many points they'll get

    1st - 20 points
    2nd - 19 points
    3rd - 18 points
    4th - 17 points
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    19th - 2 points
    20th - 1 point

    Let me know if you want to do it, or have any more questions.
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    1. Dale Steyn
    2. Michael Clarke
    3. Greame Smith
    4. Micheal hussey
    5. Kumar sangakkara

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    Stop bickering... tltr

    It's hard to come up with a list. I will get back on that.

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    How are we bickering? We were having a discussion on what makes a player good.
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    everyone on this forum is a cocksucker. yeah, you too dumbass. screw this signature, its as sh!te as India's top order. and when i say sh!te, i mean really f*cked up and retarded, like a man with no ears and eyes holding a sign saying "Nickelback ROCK".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    How are we bickering? We were having a discussion on what makes a player good.
    too long to read.

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    You up for doing the game I suggested?

    http://cricfire.com/forum/showthread...337#post101337
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    Yes I am in... I am just too tired to read at the moment. Probably cos I am hungry and thirsty and have nothing to eat.

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    OK
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    Only 1 on my list:

    1. Brett Lee

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoverDrive View Post
    Only 1 on my list:

    1. Brett Lee
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoverDrive View Post
    Only 1 on my list:

    1. Brett Lee
    Brett Lee debuted in 1999, just misses out on qualification. Otherwise he would've been 5th on my list instead of Barby Doll.
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    ^ Test debut was December 99 though. Boxing day test.
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    I am talking about ODI debut... you moron!

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    But the thread is talking about ALL formats, not just ODI's.
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    My claim was on his ODI debut. Thread's relevance was long lost when we started arguing.

    Plus, its not mentioned all formats...

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    If I don't mention a particular format assume it's either tests, or all formats.
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    Ok sir

    Brett Lee out of the picture then? Can we please start from 1999?

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    No, stop being such a crazed fan boy.
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    I didn't pick Brett Lee for that reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    No, stop being such a crazed fan boy.
    Please Please! I beg you...